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why is 980ti still that expensive if the 1070 beats him and is cheaper?

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I own both, the 980 Ti is faster than my 1070. I got the 980 Ti used back in the summer for $350 / $330 for the 1070. I have both overclocked and the 980 Ti does win out in almost everything except 3DMark (only by a slim amount of points though). In rendering / actual work, the 980 Ti beats the1070 with a larger gap due to more CUDA cores.

 

I'd actually be upset if I had paid more for the 1070. I however, use my GPUs for work, so I have very little idea on the gaming performance difference between the two (I don't own many games at all except for some PS4 port RPGs on steam...even on that, the 980 Ti pulls ahead).

 

If you're looking for a 980 Ti, I'd look at used or EVGA's B-Stock when they have a sale. I saw a 980 Ti go for $300 when they had a B-Stock holiday last month.

 

The reason you see the 980 Ti losing to the 1070 in most benchmarks is because they are at stock speeds. Most 980 Tis overclock really well, and with the gap in CUDA cores, they make up for the 600MHz reduction in clock speed vs the 1070 also overclocked.

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Did you just assume the 980Ti's gender?

 

EDIT: Sniped by @STRMfrmXMN

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I think 980ti is good because of it's greater number of cuda cores. You will notice that in render times in various programs. Keep in mind that 980ti is basically a Titan X. I have a gtx 1070 Strix.. And it runs faster and cooler and consumes less power than 980ti.. Don't buy 980ti. Good selling card hold their price, that's what's happening here..

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Sellers being greedy, trying to avoid a loss I guess. Assuming they got them before 1070 hit and have old stock lying around. I got a 980Ti around the 1070 launch for £300, where the 1070 was typically still over £400 at the time. Smarter sellers got rid of their stock while they still could, with various fire sales around then.

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1 minute ago, STRMfrmXMN said:

Did you just assume the GPU's gender?!?!?!?!?!

 

1 minute ago, Kloaked said:

Did you just assume the 980Ti's gender?

lol yes, i talk with him everyday xD 

Remember to quote me (or someone else), otherwise we won't going to recieve your answers...

 

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2 minutes ago, Blackhole890 said:

 

lol yes, i talk with him everyday xD 

If you talk to him, then why did you answer the "assumed gender" question with yes?

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1 minute ago, FTL said:

If you talk to him, then why did you answer the "assumed gender" question with yes?

because i asked to him...?

Remember to quote me (or someone else), otherwise we won't going to recieve your answers...

 

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5 minutes ago, Blackhole890 said:

because i asked to him...?

So, you asked him about his gender and still have to assume... I'm confused :(

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Cuz Nvidia. 

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It's like $320?? How is that more exspensive? Also if you OC a 980ti a tad it will outperform a reference 1080. So yeah

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in canada the only reason they are still 1k$ is because suppliers cant sell the old stock off for a massive loss @Blackhole890

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I own both, the 980 Ti is faster than my 1070. I got the 980 Ti used back in the summer for $350 / $330 for the 1070. I have both overclocked and the 980 Ti does win out in almost everything except 3DMark (only by a slim amount of points though). In rendering / actual work, the 980 Ti beats the1070 with a larger gap due to more CUDA cores.

 

I'd actually be upset if I had paid more for the 1070. I however, use my GPUs for work, so I have very little idea on the gaming performance difference between the two (I don't own many games at all except for some PS4 port RPGs on steam...even on that, the 980 Ti pulls ahead).

 

If you're looking for a 980 Ti, I'd look at used or EVGA's B-Stock when they have a sale. I saw a 980 Ti go for $300 when they had a B-Stock holiday last month.

 

The reason you see the 980 Ti losing to the 1070 in most benchmarks is because they are at stock speeds. Most 980 Tis overclock really well, and with the gap in CUDA cores, they make up for the 600MHz reduction in clock speed vs the 1070 also overclocked.

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Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure an overclocked 980ti will generally beat an overclocked 1070. I would rather own the 980ti TBH.

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I have two 980Tis and one 1070. All are left at factory OC, and the 1070 is faster, but not by much, at least not enough for me to say I can notice it outside of benchmarks. The 1070 is much lower power consuming.

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The 980 Ti is cheaper here if you can find one.

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The same reason that the 750Ti and 950 are still about neck and neck.  Performance isn't everything (think about power consumption too), and sellers don't always adjust their prices right away.

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16 hours ago, Blackhole890 said:

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how about: because it doesn't?!

the reviews you've seen all test the cards at stock...here is what happen if you properly overclock a GTX 980ti:

 

Yup that's right...faster than a 1070...and not a bad one...an MSI Gaming X 1070 also overclocked as far as it goes...

...but that's not the main reason...the main reason is people having one GTX 980ti already will want to spend money to get a second one for SLI before they run out...espect prices for 980ti to increase until there will be only a few left and at that point they will sell for 700$ or 800$

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59 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

the reviews you've seen all test the cards at stock...here is what happen if you properly overclock a GTX 980ti:

Where do you even buy a card at stock?  The only ones I've seen are overclocked by the manufacturer.

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Where do you even buy a card at stock?  The only ones I've seen are overclocked by the manufacturer.

LOL manufacturers overclock them by 20 or 40mhz most of the time...i'm talking manually overclocking them...like in pushing them in 1450 or 1500mhz range and beyond...do you know the actual clockspeed of a reference 980ti vesrus something like and MSI gaming or an EVGA acx card out of the box? they still leave a good 12 to 18% performance on the table for you to get...if you overclock a good 980ti to 1480mhz or 1500mhz then it perform pretty close to a stock GTX 1080.

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4 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

LOL manufacturers overclock them by 20 or 40mhz most of the time...i'm talking manually overclocking them...like in pushing them in 1450 or 1500mhz range and beyond...

I've never done any GPU overclocking, so I know very little about it.  I built a machine for work, and later ended up adding a GPU.  It's not made for gaming.

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11 hours ago, scottyseng said:

I own both, the 980 Ti is faster than my 1070. I got the 980 Ti used back in the summer for $350 / $330 for the 1070. I have both overclocked and the 980 Ti does win out in almost everything except 3DMark (only by a slim amount of points though). In rendering / actual work, the 980 Ti beats the1070 with a larger gap due to more CUDA cores.

 

I'd actually be upset if I had paid more for the 1070. I however, use my GPUs for work, so I have very little idea on the gaming performance difference between the two (I don't own many games at all except for some PS4 port RPGs on steam...even on that, the 980 Ti pulls ahead).

 

If you're looking for a 980 Ti, I'd look at used or EVGA's B-Stock when they have a sale. I saw a 980 Ti go for $300 when they had a B-Stock holiday last month.

 

The reason you see the 980 Ti losing to the 1070 in most benchmarks is because they are at stock speeds. Most 980 Tis overclock really well, and with the gap in CUDA cores, they make up for the 600MHz reduction in clock speed vs the 1070 also overclocked.

Very true my Titan X beats my brothers 1070, both are overclocked and he gets really angry about it xD

 

Pascal is just a polishing from Maxwell, no different than Kaby Lake is to Skylake, even though nVidia did increase performance more than did Intel.

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1 minute ago, Princess Cadence said:

Pascal is just a polishing from Maxwell, no different than Kaby Lake is to Skylake, even though nVidia did increase performance more than did Intel.

but at least nvidia they also made it more energy efficient with a die shrink and then cranked up the clockspeeds to compensate for less cuda cores...which is a good thing and also they added a couple new features namely for VR like the simultaneous multi-projection stuff that's pretty cool... :)

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